Why is Streaming Dramas Bad?

Published on May 30th, 2009.

Hana Yori DangoContinuing on the previous post where I asked you all if you watched Japanese dramas using a streaming service or by downloading the fansubs. This time I’m going to ask you what you think about streaming and of course I’ll start with my own thoughts on the matter.

First off, uploading fansubs without permission to sites like MySoju and DramaCrazy is considered a very bad thing by the subbing groups, and uploading their works might cause a drama to be abandoned indefinitely. So for those who rely on streaming at the moment, you are the ones making everyone pissed off. I do understand why you want to stream dramas, there are many reasons to do so, and hell even I prefer streaming. For me none of the existing streaming services are good enough though.

So why is streaming fansubs bad? Well, actually I’m not sure of that myself. I don’t see why streaming would make the fansubbing groups suffer in any way, except maybe for a decreasing downloads count on D-Addicts. But hopefully that’s not why they make the subtitles. Uploading the fansubs so that people can stream them gives the groups more exposure and appreciation. And it can’t be a legal issue as what they’re doing isn’t legal from the beginning.

Streaming is the future, it’s so old fashioned to rely on downloads in my opinion. The only good reason I can come up with for downloading the actual files is if you’re going on a trip where you don’t have internet, if you want to watch stuff on a handheld device or if you want to edit and make clips. And of course that’s why the files should be available as downloads as well. I used to archive everything and kept on buying new hard drives until I found out that it’s totally pointless.

So really, is there a GOOD reason why streaming shouldn’t be allowed? I really don’t get it… Let’s continue the discussion in the comments section as I’m not sure where to continue from here! :)

POLL CLOSED. Results:

  1. Streaming is NOW – 51%
  2. Definitely – 35%
  3. Definitely NOT – 14%
  • Hoolan

    I’m not sure about anyone else but I am willing to pay if it means I can stream good quality drama, anime and music anywhere anytime.

    But at this moment in time I prefer ti download things.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      I’d do that. I pay for Crunchyroll and I love it, wouldn’t mind paying some more to be able to stream Japanese dramas, and music perhaps :)

  • Hoolan

    I’m not sure about anyone else but I am willing to pay if it means I can stream good quality drama, anime and music anywhere anytime.

    But at this moment in time I prefer ti download things.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      I’d do that. I pay for Crunchyroll and I love it, wouldn’t mind paying some more to be able to stream Japanese dramas, and music perhaps :)

  • http://gakuranman.com Mike

    I’ve always wondered that as well – why do subbing groups get so uptight about having their subs hardcoded onto uploaded dramas? Firstly, I’m fairly sure they don’t even have copyright permission to subtitle the drama (I think you need permission to translate books and films – etc) and secondly, they shouldn’t really be making money from subbing. My guess is that they want people to go to their website to download stuff, and maybe they have adverts or something on there that brings in some income.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Of course they don’t have permission to sub them, we wouldn’t be dealing with fansubs if they had. As most of it is released on D-Addicts it can’t really be about the money. But if they actually do make money out of illegal activity it’s quite bad =/

  • http://gakuranman.com Mike

    I’ve always wondered that as well – why do subbing groups get so uptight about having their subs hardcoded onto uploaded dramas? Firstly, I’m fairly sure they don’t even have copyright permission to subtitle the drama (I think you need permission to translate books and films – etc) and secondly, they shouldn’t really be making money from subbing. My guess is that they want people to go to their website to download stuff, and maybe they have adverts or something on there that brings in some income.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Of course they don’t have permission to sub them, we wouldn’t be dealing with fansubs if they had. As most of it is released on D-Addicts it can’t really be about the money. But if they actually do make money out of illegal activity it’s quite bad =/

  • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

    I think the reason I’ve seen some groups get really annoyed over streaming is because when a sub is on Youtube (or some other site), it’s easier to get in trouble with the company that owns the show. Of course it’s illegal either way, but by making it downloads-only it keeps it a little more under the radar. Companies don’t notice sites like D-Addicts, but they do go through sites like Youtube and delete any streaming videos of the shows (well, some companies do), and if they notice a popular sub group, that group could get in trouble.
    Personally, I prefer downloads anyway. Sure it takes up hard drive space, but it’s better quality and totally worth it. The internet at home sucks for streaming, because it dies really often- it’s almost impossible to stream an entire episode, even if I try to let it load first. I much prefer it taking a while to download but then not having any interruptions in the middle of the show.
    Also, downloading is more reliable imo- if I download a show I’ll always have it. I don’t have to worry about it maybe getting deleted, and I can watch it when I don’t have internet. (which is pretty often cause my wireless internet is really horrible)

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Well it’s not like they use their real names or anything, and you can be anonymous when uploading to YouTube or the like. So I don’t see the subbing groups getting into any trouble.

      Streaming as it is now (for dramas that is) is quite bad in my opinion too, but it doesn’t have to be. Streaming can be just as good as downloads (see Crunchyroll for example, streaming in 720p). I of course don’t want downloads to disappear but good streaming would be highly appreciated.

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      I don’t really mean like, legal action, but the sub groups can get shut down, can’t they? No one wants that to happen.

      Don’t you have to pay for Crunchyroll now? I’m all for supporting shows and such but I wouldn’t pay to stream anything- I’d much rather buy the DVDs so I actually get a physical copy for my money. It’s the same for downloading music, but…that’s another argument.
      My internet can’t handle good streaming anyway. >___< Takes like 30+ minutes just to load a music video.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Well that’s up to the subbing group. Yes you pay for Crunchyroll now. I pay $7/month which really is nothing, seeing as I get to watch the shows 1 hour after broadcast in Japan with perfect subtitles, and in high definition. It’s pretty much the same as paying your TV license, although you don’t have to record stuff you want to see again. But I don’t know, maybe you don’t pay your for TV license either. I understand why you’d want a physical copy, I buy physical copies from time to time too.

      You have to remember that with streaming you only pay to watch the show, which means that you pay A LOT less. I can watch a whole series (or more) for $7/month over and over again.
      For example, I watch Shugo Chara on Crunchyroll. If I pay $7 I can watch the whole series, maybe $14 or $21 if I want a few more months time. If I were to buy the DVDs it would add up to approximately $640 (YesAsia) or $960 if I buy the boxes. So, basically you pay over $600 to get the packaging and some discs. To me that’s a lot of money going down the drain just for the pretty packaging. I’d rather stream the anime for a small price and buy some other merchandise, but that’s just me…

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Oh and those boxes/DVDs don’t have English subs.

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      Point taken. I think it depends on each person- I don’t watch much anime so for me paying $7 a month wouldn’t be worth it. For someone who watches a lot of anime, then yeah, it’s worth it.
      Shugo Chara isn’t the example I’d use…considering it’s a long-running series, of course the DVDs are more expensive XD; I mean, I’m sure it is overall for any series, but for a series like Shugo Chara it’s a huge difference.
      Maybe I’m behind the times but I still totally prefer watching shows on a big-screen TV (or at least bigger than my computer screen) to watching on my computer, which is another reason I’d rather buy the DVDs than stream it…

      I guess it’s also a matter of the shows that are available. Would I pay for crunchyroll if they had shows like Prince of Tennis (my total favorite XD)? Maybe. (Not that they ever would though, Viz canceled the anime releases last year but they still have the license so it’s kinda stuck in limbo right now >___<) If they had something like that for drama or tokusatsu, maybe…

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      Also (sorry, started replying before your second comment about the subs) when I talk about buying DVDs, I mean buying American-released DVDs. Like, with subs and stuff. So I guess this kinda doesn’t apply to dramas as much anymore cause they don’t have DVDs released in America, but…XD;

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      True, it depends on each person. I used Shugo Chara to show what the differences in prices could be, and as you could see, they were pretty huge. If we were to take a shorter anime, one with maybe 3-4 DVDs we’d still be looking at a pretty big difference. As for watching on a bigger screen, that’s what I do. I just connect my laptop to my TV, of course if you have a very old setup that might be a little troublesome.

      Of course what shows they offer matters a lot, but if they have something you like it could definitely be a good way to save some money that you could potentially use to buy some other merchandise to make your fandom feelings complete.

      Well yeah, now we’re kind of off topic but still, the discussion is good!
      I really do understand why you’d want physical copies, but I think paying for streaming is definitely worth considering, if you actually look at what you get for your money^^

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      And I do understand why streaming can be good XD Especially for series that you want to see but don’t want to spend a ton of money on. For a show I really love like PoT I’d buy the DVDs no matter what because it’s my favorite and I really want to support it (though I bought every DVD and it was still canceled, dammit Viz >_<) but for a show that I kind of like but I’m not REALLY into, it makes a lot more sense to stream it. In addition, if I paid for a site like crunchyroll for one or two shows that I love, it’d give me the opportunity to see more shows without having to pay a lot more money for the DVDs- so I really do understand your point XD
      A streaming site for dramas would be nice, to be able to support the show without having to spend a huge amount of money on the DVDs- I’ve looked at box sets for the series I like, and it’s like $200 for 13 episodes or something asd;lkfjasldkf DVDs released here would be another option that’d be pretty nice (as long as they’re cheaper XD)…
      I think my support for it would also depend on the subbing quality, but again…that’s another argument XD

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      I agree. I also buy the physical copies of my favorite stuff but with these insane prices I definitely can’t afford everything.

      Well, both ways have their so to call benefits! But when it comes to physical copies you’re mostly paying for the nice packaging really, and because it soothes your otaku needs. But I guess that’s not a bad thing either ^^

  • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

    I think the reason I’ve seen some groups get really annoyed over streaming is because when a sub is on Youtube (or some other site), it’s easier to get in trouble with the company that owns the show. Of course it’s illegal either way, but by making it downloads-only it keeps it a little more under the radar. Companies don’t notice sites like D-Addicts, but they do go through sites like Youtube and delete any streaming videos of the shows (well, some companies do), and if they notice a popular sub group, that group could get in trouble.
    Personally, I prefer downloads anyway. Sure it takes up hard drive space, but it’s better quality and totally worth it. The internet at home sucks for streaming, because it dies really often- it’s almost impossible to stream an entire episode, even if I try to let it load first. I much prefer it taking a while to download but then not having any interruptions in the middle of the show.
    Also, downloading is more reliable imo- if I download a show I’ll always have it. I don’t have to worry about it maybe getting deleted, and I can watch it when I don’t have internet. (which is pretty often cause my wireless internet is really horrible)

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Well it’s not like they use their real names or anything, and you can be anonymous when uploading to YouTube or the like. So I don’t see the subbing groups getting into any trouble.

      Streaming as it is now (for dramas that is) is quite bad in my opinion too, but it doesn’t have to be. Streaming can be just as good as downloads (see Crunchyroll for example, streaming in 720p). I of course don’t want downloads to disappear but good streaming would be highly appreciated.

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      I don’t really mean like, legal action, but the sub groups can get shut down, can’t they? No one wants that to happen.

      Don’t you have to pay for Crunchyroll now? I’m all for supporting shows and such but I wouldn’t pay to stream anything- I’d much rather buy the DVDs so I actually get a physical copy for my money. It’s the same for downloading music, but…that’s another argument.
      My internet can’t handle good streaming anyway. >___< Takes like 30+ minutes just to load a music video.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Well that’s up to the subbing group. Yes you pay for Crunchyroll now. I pay $7/month which really is nothing, seeing as I get to watch the shows 1 hour after broadcast in Japan with perfect subtitles, and in high definition. It’s pretty much the same as paying your TV license, although you don’t have to record stuff you want to see again. But I don’t know, maybe you don’t pay your for TV license either. I understand why you’d want a physical copy, I buy physical copies from time to time too.

      You have to remember that with streaming you only pay to watch the show, which means that you pay A LOT less. I can watch a whole series (or more) for $7/month over and over again.
      For example, I watch Shugo Chara on Crunchyroll. If I pay $7 I can watch the whole series, maybe $14 or $21 if I want a few more months time. If I were to buy the DVDs it would add up to approximately $640 (YesAsia) or $960 if I buy the boxes. So, basically you pay over $600 to get the packaging and some discs. To me that’s a lot of money going down the drain just for the pretty packaging. I’d rather stream the anime for a small price and buy some other merchandise, but that’s just me…

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      Oh and those boxes/DVDs don’t have English subs.

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      Point taken. I think it depends on each person- I don’t watch much anime so for me paying $7 a month wouldn’t be worth it. For someone who watches a lot of anime, then yeah, it’s worth it.
      Shugo Chara isn’t the example I’d use…considering it’s a long-running series, of course the DVDs are more expensive XD; I mean, I’m sure it is overall for any series, but for a series like Shugo Chara it’s a huge difference.
      Maybe I’m behind the times but I still totally prefer watching shows on a big-screen TV (or at least bigger than my computer screen) to watching on my computer, which is another reason I’d rather buy the DVDs than stream it…

      I guess it’s also a matter of the shows that are available. Would I pay for crunchyroll if they had shows like Prince of Tennis (my total favorite XD)? Maybe. (Not that they ever would though, Viz canceled the anime releases last year but they still have the license so it’s kinda stuck in limbo right now >___<) If they had something like that for drama or tokusatsu, maybe…

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      Also (sorry, started replying before your second comment about the subs) when I talk about buying DVDs, I mean buying American-released DVDs. Like, with subs and stuff. So I guess this kinda doesn’t apply to dramas as much anymore cause they don’t have DVDs released in America, but…XD;

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      True, it depends on each person. I used Shugo Chara to show what the differences in prices could be, and as you could see, they were pretty huge. If we were to take a shorter anime, one with maybe 3-4 DVDs we’d still be looking at a pretty big difference. As for watching on a bigger screen, that’s what I do. I just connect my laptop to my TV, of course if you have a very old setup that might be a little troublesome.

      Of course what shows they offer matters a lot, but if they have something you like it could definitely be a good way to save some money that you could potentially use to buy some other merchandise to make your fandom feelings complete.

      Well yeah, now we’re kind of off topic but still, the discussion is good!
      I really do understand why you’d want physical copies, but I think paying for streaming is definitely worth considering, if you actually look at what you get for your money^^

    • http://indigo.unchained.nu/blog/ IndigoSkies

      And I do understand why streaming can be good XD Especially for series that you want to see but don’t want to spend a ton of money on. For a show I really love like PoT I’d buy the DVDs no matter what because it’s my favorite and I really want to support it (though I bought every DVD and it was still canceled, dammit Viz >_<) but for a show that I kind of like but I’m not REALLY into, it makes a lot more sense to stream it. In addition, if I paid for a site like crunchyroll for one or two shows that I love, it’d give me the opportunity to see more shows without having to pay a lot more money for the DVDs- so I really do understand your point XD
      A streaming site for dramas would be nice, to be able to support the show without having to spend a huge amount of money on the DVDs- I’ve looked at box sets for the series I like, and it’s like $200 for 13 episodes or something asd;lkfjasldkf DVDs released here would be another option that’d be pretty nice (as long as they’re cheaper XD)…
      I think my support for it would also depend on the subbing quality, but again…that’s another argument XD

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      I agree. I also buy the physical copies of my favorite stuff but with these insane prices I definitely can’t afford everything.

      Well, both ways have their so to call benefits! But when it comes to physical copies you’re mostly paying for the nice packaging really, and because it soothes your otaku needs. But I guess that’s not a bad thing either ^^

  • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

    I think they are much more likely to get in trouble when their work is streamed, instead of kept underground on D-Addicts and LiveJournal.

    I think streaming will be the future, but now I would much rather watch a 720p rip than some crappy youtube quality stream. When the quality is improved, and my connection is good enough to take full advantage of it. And the fansubber are behind it. Then I will happily use streaming.

    But for now, downloading is much better, better quality and you don’t piss off the people who are dedicating so much time to letting you understand what you are watching.

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      and also, the streaming sites are making money off of the subbers work. which would annoy me.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      As of now I think downloads are better than streaming when it comes to Japanese dramas too. But I can’t wait for a service like Crunchyroll for Japanese dramas, when that comes I’ll gladly pay even if the price is twice as much as Crunchy’s^^

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

      I hardly doubt d-addicts is very underground and I think it’s funny to call people the problem when we really shouldn’t be downloading or taking the shows and placing them online on such torrent sites anyway.. I mean we both are in the bad if you think about it. That is unless you have the rights to those shows.. we don’t pay .. (same thing goes for those who download movie torrents, be them Japanese or American or whatever) I also use crunchyroll and you can pay for that which is fine , although they need to update their dramas more.

      again I don’t think people need to hate against those who stream.. although i can understand people getting mad if their show is pulled from fansubbing.. in that case just go support the people who actually make the drama and buy it online! Then you will have good quality drama..with a case for them as well. :-) I think that more sites will start legally streaming in the future.

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      I can’t really see how I’m in the wrong, J-Drama’s would never come to the UK in any way. This is really my only option. If the company doesn’t want to sell them to me I feel perfectly fine torrenting it instead. May not be legally right, but I don’t really care about that.

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

      Humm so you are saying that yesaia.com, amazon.com, ebay.com won’t ship you the products to the UK if you order them online?

      All I care about is you criticizing me for streaming when you yourself typed that your downloading is not legally right. Which makes us BOTH in the wrong. Even so everyone has their own way of getting drama, and neither is “really the right way”

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      well the stuff on ebay is either fansubs or stuff run through google translate so, no thanks.

      What exactly would be the point in me ordering dvd’s from yes asia, when they’re not subtitled :S

      I don’t really care what is legally wrong or right. My own morals are more important, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what I’m doing.

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

      I feel I am right with what I’m doing as well and just get annoyed when people attack me for streaming when they themselves are downloading. I don’t care how you get your drama’s just don’t cpoint fingers and call me the bad guy. :-)

      Also the drama’s that get licensed will get English subs..

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      I just think it’s wrong go against what the subbers want when they have dedicated so much time for you to even be able to understand what you are watching.

  • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

    I think they are much more likely to get in trouble when their work is streamed, instead of kept underground on D-Addicts and LiveJournal.

    I think streaming will be the future, but now I would much rather watch a 720p rip than some crappy youtube quality stream. When the quality is improved, and my connection is good enough to take full advantage of it. And the fansubber are behind it. Then I will happily use streaming.

    But for now, downloading is much better, better quality and you don’t piss off the people who are dedicating so much time to letting you understand what you are watching.

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      and also, the streaming sites are making money off of the subbers work. which would annoy me.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      As of now I think downloads are better than streaming when it comes to Japanese dramas too. But I can’t wait for a service like Crunchyroll for Japanese dramas, when that comes I’ll gladly pay even if the price is twice as much as Crunchy’s^^

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

      I hardly doubt d-addicts is very underground and I think it’s funny to call people the problem when we really shouldn’t be downloading or taking the shows and placing them online on such torrent sites anyway.. I mean we both are in the bad if you think about it. That is unless you have the rights to those shows.. we don’t pay .. (same thing goes for those who download movie torrents, be them Japanese or American or whatever) I also use crunchyroll and you can pay for that which is fine , although they need to update their dramas more.

      again I don’t think people need to hate against those who stream.. although i can understand people getting mad if their show is pulled from fansubbing.. in that case just go support the people who actually make the drama and buy it online! Then you will have good quality drama..with a case for them as well. :-) I think that more sites will start legally streaming in the future.

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      I can’t really see how I’m in the wrong, J-Drama’s would never come to the UK in any way. This is really my only option. If the company doesn’t want to sell them to me I feel perfectly fine torrenting it instead. May not be legally right, but I don’t really care about that.

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

      Humm so you are saying that yesaia.com, amazon.com, ebay.com won’t ship you the products to the UK if you order them online?

      All I care about is you criticizing me for streaming when you yourself typed that your downloading is not legally right. Which makes us BOTH in the wrong. Even so everyone has their own way of getting drama, and neither is “really the right way”

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      well the stuff on ebay is either fansubs or stuff run through google translate so, no thanks.

      What exactly would be the point in me ordering dvd’s from yes asia, when they’re not subtitled :S

      I don’t really care what is legally wrong or right. My own morals are more important, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what I’m doing.

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

      I feel I am right with what I’m doing as well and just get annoyed when people attack me for streaming when they themselves are downloading. I don’t care how you get your drama’s just don’t cpoint fingers and call me the bad guy. :-)

      Also the drama’s that get licensed will get English subs..

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      I just think it’s wrong go against what the subbers want when they have dedicated so much time for you to even be able to understand what you are watching.

  • http://victorymanual.com/ Alex

    Isn’t it ironic that fansubbers who illegally distribute copyrighted works get their panties in a twist when their work is redistributed?

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      It sure is ironic, double standards. But I do agree with those who release softsubs that other people steal and rebrand as their own, or make bootlegs with. Even if it’s an illegal act from the beginning, they don’t say that the actual drama is their work which makes it a tad bit better.

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      Hardly the same, these websites are making money off of both the subbers and the original creators work. Fansubbers don’t make any money, they do it for the love.

      I don’t think fansubbers are wrong in any way, they’re doing a lot of hard work so a tiny market can enjoy something that they otherwise wouldn’t be able to.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      That is true, well, looking at MySoju for example you see that they don’t have a lot of advertisements so I bet they’re not making more money than eventual hosting might cost them.

      And the fact that fansubbers don’t make any money isn’t entirely true. If you look at SARS-Fansubs for example, you can see that they have both ads and merchandise. http://www.sars-fansubs.com/

      I don’t think the fansubbers are wrong either, they give us the ability to understand shows that we otherwise wouldn’t. But that’s just one way of looking at it.

  • http://victorymanual.com/ Alex

    Isn’t it ironic that fansubbers who illegally distribute copyrighted works get their panties in a twist when their work is redistributed?

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      It sure is ironic, double standards. But I do agree with those who release softsubs that other people steal and rebrand as their own, or make bootlegs with. Even if it’s an illegal act from the beginning, they don’t say that the actual drama is their work which makes it a tad bit better.

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      Hardly the same, these websites are making money off of both the subbers and the original creators work. Fansubbers don’t make any money, they do it for the love.

      I don’t think fansubbers are wrong in any way, they’re doing a lot of hard work so a tiny market can enjoy something that they otherwise wouldn’t be able to.

    • http://www.yonasu.com yonasu

      That is true, well, looking at MySoju for example you see that they don’t have a lot of advertisements so I bet they’re not making more money than eventual hosting might cost them.

      And the fact that fansubbers don’t make any money isn’t entirely true. If you look at SARS-Fansubs for example, you can see that they have both ads and merchandise. http://www.sars-fansubs.com/

      I don’t think the fansubbers are wrong either, they give us the ability to understand shows that we otherwise wouldn’t. But that’s just one way of looking at it.

  • http://cultofpop.com/cutieparty Misa

    I personally stream because its the only way I CAN
    I dont own my own computer and I’m not allowed to download on my dads, so the only way I can enjoy drama is to stream it
    and I agree with alex.

  • http://cultofpop.com/cutieparty Misa

    I personally stream because its the only way I CAN
    I dont own my own computer and I’m not allowed to download on my dads, so the only way I can enjoy drama is to stream it
    and I agree with alex.

  • http://www.jamesmandrews.com James Andrews

    The reason is simple. When a fansubber releases a sub he does so while releasing the materials he timed it too. He’s committing an illegal act. While his translating of the drama is perfectly legal, the distributing of the copyrighted material is not.

    The companies that produce the dramas for the most part have turned a blind eye to fansubbing because it was for the most part harmless to them. It helped them pull in new people interested in the show, but once something is streamed, and easier to find then it becomes a problem because the average joe can now more easily get the sub, so those who don’t need the subtitles can watch the streams skip the commercials and the company that produces it loses revenew. The blind eye they were using, goes away and the fansubber now becomes more paranoid that legal action will be taken against them…

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      not all fansubbers release the video as well, a lot release softsubs. Although because of streaming many are giving up on softsubs either and turning to hardsubs or just giving up altogether.

    • http://www.jamesmandrews.com James Andrews

      I see, I usually get my subs from Usenet, so they all come with video.

  • http://www.jamesmandrews.com James Andrews

    The reason is simple. When a fansubber releases a sub he does so while releasing the materials he timed it too. He’s committing an illegal act. While his translating of the drama is perfectly legal, the distributing of the copyrighted material is not.

    The companies that produce the dramas for the most part have turned a blind eye to fansubbing because it was for the most part harmless to them. It helped them pull in new people interested in the show, but once something is streamed, and easier to find then it becomes a problem because the average joe can now more easily get the sub, so those who don’t need the subtitles can watch the streams skip the commercials and the company that produces it loses revenew. The blind eye they were using, goes away and the fansubber now becomes more paranoid that legal action will be taken against them…

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      not all fansubbers release the video as well, a lot release softsubs. Although because of streaming many are giving up on softsubs either and turning to hardsubs or just giving up altogether.

    • http://www.jamesmandrews.com James Andrews

      I see, I usually get my subs from Usenet, so they all come with video.

  • http://mokudekiru.com mo

    So I’m in a strange situation (perhaps) because I hate subtitles. My Japanese is far from perfect but subtitles just distract me when I get 75% of it anyway.

    However, even I must stream sometimes. For example, right now I’m watching Love Revolution on MySoju. Why? Because I can’t find it anywhere else. I would gladly download it in higher quality, especially without subs, but it doesn’t seem to exist.

    Thus for the recent stuff, I will download, because there are raws floating around and lots of people seeding. But how else are we supposed to see these old dramas?

    As far as why subbing groups get upset if something is streamed, what do they say about it?

  • http://mokudekiru.com mo

    So I’m in a strange situation (perhaps) because I hate subtitles. My Japanese is far from perfect but subtitles just distract me when I get 75% of it anyway.

    However, even I must stream sometimes. For example, right now I’m watching Love Revolution on MySoju. Why? Because I can’t find it anywhere else. I would gladly download it in higher quality, especially without subs, but it doesn’t seem to exist.

    Thus for the recent stuff, I will download, because there are raws floating around and lots of people seeding. But how else are we supposed to see these old dramas?

    As far as why subbing groups get upset if something is streamed, what do they say about it?

  • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

    oh and also about the mysoju thing.. has anyone read the disclaimer? if not here it is

    ************************

    Disclaimer:

    MySoju.com is absolutly legal and contain only links to other sites on the Internet : ( megavideo.com, dailymotion.com, myspace.com, ouou.com, stage6.com, tudou.com, crunchyroll.com, veoh.com, youku.com, youtube.com and many others.. ) We do not host or upload any video, films, media files ( avi, mov, flv, mpg, mpeg, divx, dvd rip, mp3, mp4, torrent, ipod, psp ), MySoju.com is not responsible for the accuracy, compliance, copyright, legality, decency, or any other aspect of the content of other linked sites. If you have any legal issues please contact appropriate media file owners / hosters.

    If you believe your copyrighted content is showing on MySoju.com, please take your DMCA take down notices directly to the video websites that are hosting your files.
    ******************

    so if people have problems with other streaming then the best place to start would be the sites that actually upload the vids :-)

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      please, its obviously mysoju who upload the videos to those other sites.

    • http://victorymanual.com/ Alex

      I guess the real question is, “Why do fansubbers do what they do?” Is it so a wider, non-native audience can enjoy the drama? If that’s the case, then they succeed when their content gets streamed.

      If they’re uptight about other people making ppc on streaming websites, and streaming is free, then the only really logical thing to do is have the fansubbers take the initiative and stream the content themselves.

      But perhaps they’re not willing to do that because of potential litigation. If that’s the case, then they already clearly know that what they’re doing is illegal.

      As for me, I only watch Japanese and Korean dramas, and I don’t need subtitles for either one. むしろ、字幕が邪魔になる。한국어로도 일본어로도. So all I really care is about quick and easy delivery, and that’s what’s so great about streaming sites.

    • http://yonasu.com/ yonasu

      Fansubbing is, for the most part, charity work. They don’t want to make money on it themselves, and they sure don’t want anyone else to make money on their charity work. And while fansubbing and sharing dramas is illegal in the first place, you only start getting into trouble when it’s generally available to the public and money is involved. And they don’t want trouble, they just want to help.

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ Mary

      Do you know for a fact? Or you are assuming it because it’s on mysoju? I know some of the sites.. people have uploaded on their own and not from mysoju.

      You could be right on some though but unless you have solid proof then it’s whatever. :-)

      I have to agree with Alex though. Fansubbers just need to start streaming then if they get upset about people streaming

  • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ M-Kat

    oh and also about the mysoju thing.. has anyone read the disclaimer? if not here it is

    ************************

    Disclaimer:

    MySoju.com is absolutly legal and contain only links to other sites on the Internet : ( megavideo.com, dailymotion.com, myspace.com, ouou.com, stage6.com, tudou.com, crunchyroll.com, veoh.com, youku.com, youtube.com and many others.. ) We do not host or upload any video, films, media files ( avi, mov, flv, mpg, mpeg, divx, dvd rip, mp3, mp4, torrent, ipod, psp ), MySoju.com is not responsible for the accuracy, compliance, copyright, legality, decency, or any other aspect of the content of other linked sites. If you have any legal issues please contact appropriate media file owners / hosters.

    If you believe your copyrighted content is showing on MySoju.com, please take your DMCA take down notices directly to the video websites that are hosting your files.
    ******************

    so if people have problems with other streaming then the best place to start would be the sites that actually upload the vids :-)

    • http://www.joesblog.jp Joe

      please, its obviously mysoju who upload the videos to those other sites.

    • http://victorymanual.com/ Alex

      I guess the real question is, “Why do fansubbers do what they do?” Is it so a wider, non-native audience can enjoy the drama? If that’s the case, then they succeed when their content gets streamed.

      If they’re uptight about other people making ppc on streaming websites, and streaming is free, then the only really logical thing to do is have the fansubbers take the initiative and stream the content themselves.

      But perhaps they’re not willing to do that because of potential litigation. If that’s the case, then they already clearly know that what they’re doing is illegal.

      As for me, I only watch Japanese and Korean dramas, and I don’t need subtitles for either one. むしろ、字幕が邪魔になる。한국어로도 일본어로도. So all I really care is about quick and easy delivery, and that’s what’s so great about streaming sites.

    • http://yonasu.com/ yonasu

      Fansubbing is, for the most part, charity work. They don’t want to make money on it themselves, and they sure don’t want anyone else to make money on their charity work. And while fansubbing and sharing dramas is illegal in the first place, you only start getting into trouble when it’s generally available to the public and money is involved. And they don’t want trouble, they just want to help.

    • http://thenihon-suki.blogspot.com/ Mary

      Do you know for a fact? Or you are assuming it because it’s on mysoju? I know some of the sites.. people have uploaded on their own and not from mysoju.

      You could be right on some though but unless you have solid proof then it’s whatever. :-)

      I have to agree with Alex though. Fansubbers just need to start streaming then if they get upset about people streaming

  • Charlotte

    Hey, it’s my first time commenting here.

    I watch from mysoju because I can’t download at my university. It’s just blocked. So I either get my drama fix from megaupload or mysoju. I guess they’re having problems though as it seems that Smile isn’t going past the 2nd episode.

    Also, if you look on ebay, there is a Chinese based company who subs and makes (fake) dvds of dramas. I buy them for my sister for her birthday. Sometimes the tranlsations are terrible, but for 15 pounds (3000¥) you can’t really complain when the real thing is at least 1man¥.

  • Charlotte

    Hey, it’s my first time commenting here.

    I watch from mysoju because I can’t download at my university. It’s just blocked. So I either get my drama fix from megaupload or mysoju. I guess they’re having problems though as it seems that Smile isn’t going past the 2nd episode.

    Also, if you look on ebay, there is a Chinese based company who subs and makes (fake) dvds of dramas. I buy them for my sister for her birthday. Sometimes the tranlsations are terrible, but for 15 pounds (3000¥) you can’t really complain when the real thing is at least 1man¥.

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